How long to image the M108 with the ZWO Seestar S30 Pro

From a Bortle 6 suburban sky, the ZWO Seestar S30 Pro needs about 1 h 40 min (600 subs of 10 s) for a solid image of the M108. A quick look takes 25 min; a showpiece 6 h 40 min. Under a Bortle 3 rural sky the solid figure drops to 42 min. At Bortle 6 the limit is skyglow, so a darker site or a filter helps more than longer subs. In this scope's field it fills 6% of the frame’s short side.

M108 with the ZWO Seestar S30 Pro: 10 s subs.
SkyQuick lookTarget obvious, still noisySolidClean enough to shareShowpieceSmooth faint detail, print-worthy
Bortle 1Excellent dark site9 min54 subs36 min216 subs2 h 24 min863 subs
Bortle 2Typical dark site9 min57 subs38 min228 subs2 h 32 min911 subs
Bortle 3Rural10 min63 subs42 min250 subs2 h 47 min1,000 subs
Bortle 4Rural / suburban transition13 min76 subs51 min304 subs3 h 23 min1,216 subs
Bortle 5Suburban16 min98 subs1 h 05 min390 subs4 h 20 min1,559 subs
Bortle 6Bright suburban25 min150 subs1 h 40 min600 subs6 h 40 min2,400 subs
Bortle 7Suburban / urban transition42 min251 subs2 h 47 min1,001 subs11 h4,002 subs
Bortle 8City1 h 08 min406 subs4 h 30 min1,623 subs18 h6,490 subs
Bortle 9Inner city2 h 03 min738 subs8 h 11 min2,949 subs33 h11,796 subs

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Power and kit for this session

Allowing for slewing, focusing and rejected subs, that is about 2 h 10 min of run time. The Seestar S30 Pro’s battery (rated about 5 h) should cover it; a power bank still keeps the phone running the app alive. (Bortle 6, solid image; we allow 30% over the integration time.)

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How it frames

The M108 is 8.7′ × 2.2′ across. The Seestar S30 Pro frames 3.99° × 2.24° at 3.74″ per pixel, so it fills 6% of the frame’s short side.

Longer subs

10, 20 and 30 s in Alt-Az; 60 s only in EQ mode, which needs the TH10 head. Time for a solid image by sub length:

Sub lengthBortle 3Bortle 5Bortle 7
10 s42 min250 subs1 h 05 min390 subs2 h 47 min1,001 subs
20 s35 min107 subs59 min177 subs2 h 41 min482 subs
30 s33 min67 subs57 min114 subs2 h 38 min317 subs
60 s31 min32 subs55 min55 subs2 h 36 min157 subs

Leave the dual-band filter out for the M108. It is a galaxy, and it shines right across the spectrum. A dual-band filter keeps two emission lines and throws the rest away, so most of the light you came for is being stopped along with the sky. From a Bortle 6 sky it would be roughly 12 times slower.

About the M108

An edge-on spiral with a mottled, dusty disc, a degree from the Owl Nebula. Frame both together.

NGC 3556 · Galaxy in Ursa Major · magnitude 10.0 · 8.7′ × 2.2′ · best in Feb, Mar, Apr. Reachable from mid-northern latitudes (UK, northern US, central Europe) and from the south.

Galaxies are broadband targets: their light is mostly starlight spread across the spectrum, so a dual-band filter throws most of it away and makes things slower, not faster. Shoot without a filter (or with a plain UV/IR cut) and rely on total time and a dark sky. The core of a galaxy is usually many times brighter than its outer disc, so a short stack shows the nucleus long before the arms; the figures here are for the arms and disc, not the core.

Field rotation in Alt-Az mode crops the edges of the stack over a long session, so on a big galaxy re-centre now and then or use EQ mode where your scope supports it.

About the ZWO Seestar S30 Pro

The S30 optics upgraded to a quadruplet in front of an 8 MP IMX585. Same speed per pixel as the S30, four times the pixels, so you can crop hard.

10, 20 and 30 s in Alt-Az; 60 s only in EQ mode, which needs the TH10 head. Built-in UV/IR-cut, dual-band (OIII 30 nm / Hα 20 nm) and dark filters on the telephoto camera.

Longer subs matter most under dark skies, where read noise rather than skyglow sets the floor. From a city the difference between 10 s and 60 s subs is small; from a rural site it can halve the total time, especially with a dual-band filter in place.

Stack across nights. Every smart scope app can continue a stack or you can combine the saved frames on a computer; the figures here are totals, not single-session limits.

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