How long to image the M109 with the ZWO Seestar S30 Pro
From a Bortle 6 suburban sky, the ZWO Seestar S30 Pro needs about 4 h 25 min (1,588 subs of 10 s) for a solid image of the M109. A quick look takes 1 h 06 min; a showpiece 18 h. Under a Bortle 3 rural sky the solid figure drops to 1 h 44 min. At Bortle 6 the limit is skyglow, so a darker site or a filter helps more than longer subs. In this scope's field it fills 6% of the frame’s short side.
| Sky | Quick lookTarget obvious, still noisy | SolidClean enough to share | ShowpieceSmooth faint detail, print-worthy |
|---|---|---|---|
| Bortle 1Excellent dark site | 22 min133 subs | 1 h 28 min529 subs | 5 h 52 min2,114 subs |
| Bortle 2Typical dark site | 23 min141 subs | 1 h 33 min561 subs | 6 h 14 min2,244 subs |
| Bortle 3Rural | 26 min156 subs | 1 h 44 min623 subs | 6 h 55 min2,490 subs |
| Bortle 4Rural / suburban transition | 32 min193 subs | 2 h 09 min772 subs | 8 h 34 min3,086 subs |
| Bortle 5Suburban | 42 min252 subs | 2 h 48 min1,008 subs | 11 h4,032 subs |
| Bortle 6Bright suburban | 1 h 06 min397 subs | 4 h 25 min1,588 subs | 18 h6,351 subs |
| Bortle 7Suburban / urban transition | 1 h 52 min674 subs | 7 h 29 min2,693 subs | 30 h10,771 subs |
| Bortle 8City | 3 h 04 min1,103 subs | 12 h4,409 subs | 49 h17,634 subs |
| Bortle 9Inner city | 5 h 36 min2,017 subs | 22 h8,068 subs | 90 h32,269 subs |
Power and kit for this session
Allowing for slewing, focusing and rejected subs, that is about 5 h 44 min of run time. The Seestar S30 Pro’s battery is rated at about 5 h, so the session needs an external power bank. (Bortle 6, solid image; we allow 30% over the integration time.)
- USB-C power bank 10000mAh 5V 3A5 V 3 A input and it runs while charging.
- Seestar S30 Pro dew shieldActive anti-dew is built in; a shield adds margin. The S30 Pro front differs from the S30, so check the listing.
- red LED head torchRed light keeps your night vision; white light costs you twenty minutes of dark adaptation every time.
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How it frames
The M109 is 7.6′ × 4.7′ across. The Seestar S30 Pro frames 3.99° × 2.24° at 3.74″ per pixel, so it fills 6% of the frame’s short side.
Longer subs
10, 20 and 30 s in Alt-Az; 60 s only in EQ mode, which needs the TH10 head. Time for a solid image by sub length:
| Sub length | Bortle 3 | Bortle 5 | Bortle 7 |
|---|---|---|---|
| 10 s | 1 h 44 min623 subs | 2 h 48 min1,008 subs | 7 h 29 min2,693 subs |
| 20 s | 1 h 27 min260 subs | 2 h 31 min453 subs | 7 h 12 min1,295 subs |
| 30 s | 1 h 21 min162 subs | 2 h 25 min291 subs | 7 h 06 min852 subs |
| 60 s | 1 h 15 min76 subs | 2 h 19 min140 subs | 7 h421 subs |
Leave the dual-band filter out for the M109. It is a galaxy, and it shines right across the spectrum. A dual-band filter keeps two emission lines and throws the rest away, so most of the light you came for is being stopped along with the sky. From a Bortle 6 sky it would be roughly 13 times slower.
About the M109
A barred spiral next to Phecda in the Plough. Faint outer arms, bright bar.
NGC 3992 · Galaxy in Ursa Major · magnitude 9.8 · 7.6′ × 4.7′ · best in Feb, Mar, Apr. Reachable from mid-northern latitudes (UK, northern US, central Europe) and from the south.
Galaxies are broadband targets: their light is mostly starlight spread across the spectrum, so a dual-band filter throws most of it away and makes things slower, not faster. Shoot without a filter (or with a plain UV/IR cut) and rely on total time and a dark sky. The core of a galaxy is usually many times brighter than its outer disc, so a short stack shows the nucleus long before the arms; the figures here are for the arms and disc, not the core.
Field rotation in Alt-Az mode crops the edges of the stack over a long session, so on a big galaxy re-centre now and then or use EQ mode where your scope supports it.
About the ZWO Seestar S30 Pro
The S30 optics upgraded to a quadruplet in front of an 8 MP IMX585. Same speed per pixel as the S30, four times the pixels, so you can crop hard.
10, 20 and 30 s in Alt-Az; 60 s only in EQ mode, which needs the TH10 head. Built-in UV/IR-cut, dual-band (OIII 30 nm / Hα 20 nm) and dark filters on the telephoto camera.
Longer subs matter most under dark skies, where read noise rather than skyglow sets the floor. From a city the difference between 10 s and 60 s subs is small; from a rural site it can halve the total time, especially with a dual-band filter in place.
Stack across nights. Every smart scope app can continue a stack or you can combine the saved frames on a computer; the figures here are totals, not single-session limits.
Have an image of the M109 from a Seestar S30 Pro? Email it with your total time and sky to [email protected] and it goes here, credited.
Same target, other telescopes
- M109 with the ZWO Seestar S50: 3 h 48 min from Bortle 6
- M109 with the ZWO Seestar S50 Pro: 4 h 10 min from Bortle 6
- M109 with the ZWO Seestar S30: 4 h from Bortle 6
- M109 with the DwarfLab DWARF 3: 5 h 31 min from Bortle 6
- M109 with the DwarfLab DWARF mini: 3 h 47 min from Bortle 6
- M109 with the DwarfLab Draco: 3 h 07 min from Bortle 6
- M109 with the DwarfLab DWARF II: 13 h from Bortle 6
- M109 with the Vaonis Vespera II: 3 h 48 min from Bortle 6
- M109 with the Vaonis Vespera Pro: 8 h 31 min from Bortle 6
- M109 with the Vaonis Vespera 3: 3 h 38 min from Bortle 6
- M109 with the Vaonis Vespera Pro 2: 8 h 07 min from Bortle 6
- M109 with the Unistellar eQuinox 2: 3 h 28 min from Bortle 6
- M109 with the Unistellar Odyssey: 16 h from Bortle 6
- M109 with the Celestron Origin: 1 h from Bortle 6
- M109 with the Celestron Origin Mark II: 1 h 23 min from Bortle 6
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