How long to image the M84 with the Vaonis Vespera Pro 2

From a Bortle 6 suburban sky, the Vaonis Vespera Pro 2 needs about 2 h 49 min (1,015 subs of 10 s) for a solid image of the M84. A quick look takes 42 min; a showpiece 11 h. Under a Bortle 3 rural sky the solid figure drops to 1 h 16 min. At Bortle 6 the limit is skyglow, so a darker site or a filter helps more than longer subs. In this scope's field it fills 7% of the frame’s short side.

M84 with the Vaonis Vespera Pro 2: 10 s subs.
SkyQuick lookTarget obvious, still noisySolidClean enough to shareShowpieceSmooth faint detail, print-worthy
Bortle 1Excellent dark site17 min101 subs1 h 07 min402 subs4 h 27 min1,605 subs
Bortle 2Typical dark site17 min105 subs1 h 10 min420 subs4 h 40 min1,680 subs
Bortle 3Rural19 min114 subs1 h 16 min456 subs5 h 04 min1,823 subs
Bortle 4Rural / suburban transition23 min136 subs1 h 30 min542 subs6 h 01 min2,168 subs
Bortle 5Suburban28 min170 subs1 h 53 min679 subs7 h 32 min2,715 subs
Bortle 6Bright suburban42 min254 subs2 h 49 min1,015 subs11 h4,057 subs
Bortle 7Suburban / urban transition1 h 09 min414 subs4 h 36 min1,654 subs18 h6,615 subs
Bortle 8City1 h 50 min662 subs7 h 21 min2,647 subs29 h10,586 subs
Bortle 9Inner city3 h 18 min1,191 subs13 h4,764 subs53 h19,054 subs

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Allowing for slewing, focusing and rejected subs, that is about 3 h 40 min of run time. The Vespera Pro 2’s battery (rated about 11 h) should cover it; a power bank still keeps the phone running the app alive. (Bortle 6, solid image; we allow 30% over the integration time.)

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How it frames

The M84 is 6.5′ × 5.6′ across. The Vespera Pro 2 frames 1.65° × 1.65° at 1.68″ per pixel, so it fills 7% of the frame’s short side.

Longer subs

10 s subs by default; Expert Mode manual targets allow 1 to 30 s. Alt-azimuth only; CovalENS mosaic gives 3.2° × 3.2° at 50 MP. Time for a solid image by sub length:

Sub lengthBortle 3Bortle 5Bortle 7
10 s1 h 16 min456 subs1 h 53 min679 subs4 h 36 min1,654 subs
20 s1 h 05 min195 subs1 h 42 min306 subs4 h 24 min793 subs
30 s1 h 01 min122 subs1 h 38 min197 subs4 h 21 min522 subs

About the M84

A lenticular galaxy at the start of Markarian's Chain. The chain is a great wide-field mosaic project.

NGC 4374 · Galaxy in Virgo · magnitude 9.1 · 6.5′ × 5.6′ · best in Mar, Apr, May. Reachable from mid-northern latitudes (UK, northern US, central Europe) and from the south.

Galaxies are broadband targets: their light is mostly starlight spread across the spectrum, so a dual-band filter throws most of it away and makes things slower, not faster. Shoot without a filter (or with a plain UV/IR cut) and rely on total time and a dark sky. The core of a galaxy is usually many times brighter than its outer disc, so a short stack shows the nucleus long before the arms; the figures here are for the arms and disc, not the core.

Field rotation in Alt-Az mode crops the edges of the stack over a long session, so on a big galaxy re-centre now and then or use EQ mode where your scope supports it.

About the Vaonis Vespera Pro 2

The square-sensor 2026 Vespera with 2 µm pixels. Sharper than the Vespera 3 on small targets and correspondingly slower per pixel; the 12.5 MP square frame suits galaxies and planetaries.

10 s subs by default; Expert Mode manual targets allow 1 to 30 s. Alt-azimuth only; CovalENS mosaic gives 3.2° × 3.2° at 50 MP. Optional clip-on Vaonis filters: dual-band, light-pollution (CLS) and solar.

Longer subs matter most under dark skies, where read noise rather than skyglow sets the floor. From a city the difference between 10 s and 30 s subs is small; from a rural site it can halve the total time, especially with a dual-band filter in place.

Stack across nights. Every smart scope app can continue a stack or you can combine the saved frames on a computer; the figures here are totals, not single-session limits.

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