How long to image the M84 with the DwarfLab DWARF 3

From a Bortle 6 suburban sky, the DwarfLab DWARF 3 needs about 1 h 56 min (464 subs of 15 s) for a solid image of the M84. A quick look takes 29 min; a showpiece 7 h 43 min. Under a Bortle 3 rural sky the solid figure drops to 45 min. At Bortle 6 the limit is skyglow, so a darker site or a filter helps more than longer subs. In this scope's field it fills 7% of the frame’s short side.

M84 with the DwarfLab DWARF 3: 15 s subs.
SkyQuick lookTarget obvious, still noisySolidClean enough to shareShowpieceSmooth faint detail, print-worthy
Bortle 1Excellent dark site9 min38 subs38 min151 subs2 h 30 min602 subs
Bortle 2Typical dark site10 min40 subs40 min160 subs2 h 40 min640 subs
Bortle 3Rural11 min45 subs45 min179 subs2 h 58 min713 subs
Bortle 4Rural / suburban transition14 min56 subs56 min223 subs3 h 42 min889 subs
Bortle 5Suburban18 min73 subs1 h 13 min292 subs4 h 52 min1,168 subs
Bortle 6Bright suburban29 min116 subs1 h 56 min464 subs7 h 43 min1,853 subs
Bortle 7Suburban / urban transition49 min198 subs3 h 17 min790 subs13 h3,157 subs
Bortle 8City1 h 21 min324 subs5 h 24 min1,296 subs22 h5,182 subs
Bortle 9Inner city2 h 28 min594 subs9 h 54 min2,376 subs40 h9,501 subs

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Power and kit for this session

Allowing for slewing, focusing and rejected subs, that is about 2 h 30 min of run time. The DWARF 3’s battery (rated about 5 h 30 min) should cover it; a power bank still keeps the phone running the app alive. (Bortle 6, solid image; we allow 30% over the integration time.)

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How it frames

The M84 is 6.5′ × 5.6′ across. The DWARF 3 frames 2.93° × 1.65° at 2.75″ per pixel, so it fills 7% of the frame’s short side.

Longer subs

Auto mode caps subs at 15 s; 30 s and longer need EQ mode, and 60 s is the ceiling on the tele camera. Time for a solid image by sub length:

Sub lengthBortle 3Bortle 5Bortle 7
15 s45 min179 subs1 h 13 min292 subs3 h 17 min790 subs
30 s42 min85 subs1 h 11 min142 subs3 h 15 min390 subs
60 s41 min41 subs1 h 09 min70 subs3 h 14 min194 subs

Leave the dual-band filter out for the M84. It is a galaxy, and it shines right across the spectrum. A dual-band filter keeps two emission lines and throws the rest away, so most of the light you came for is being stopped along with the sky. From a Bortle 6 sky it would be roughly 10 times slower.

About the M84

A lenticular galaxy at the start of Markarian's Chain. The chain is a great wide-field mosaic project.

NGC 4374 · Galaxy in Virgo · magnitude 9.1 · 6.5′ × 5.6′ · best in Mar, Apr, May. Reachable from mid-northern latitudes (UK, northern US, central Europe) and from the south.

Galaxies are broadband targets: their light is mostly starlight spread across the spectrum, so a dual-band filter throws most of it away and makes things slower, not faster. Shoot without a filter (or with a plain UV/IR cut) and rely on total time and a dark sky. The core of a galaxy is usually many times brighter than its outer disc, so a short stack shows the nucleus long before the arms; the figures here are for the arms and disc, not the core.

Field rotation in Alt-Az mode crops the edges of the stack over a long session, so on a big galaxy re-centre now and then or use EQ mode where your scope supports it.

About the DwarfLab DWARF 3

Small pixels on a 35 mm f/4.3 lens give a sharper image than its aperture suggests, and EQ mode with 60 s subs makes it the read-noise winner in dark skies.

Auto mode caps subs at 15 s; 30 s and longer need EQ mode, and 60 s is the ceiling on the tele camera. Three built-in filters: VIS, Astro (430 to 690 nm) and dual-band Hα 656 nm / OIII 501 nm.

Longer subs matter most under dark skies, where read noise rather than skyglow sets the floor. From a city the difference between 15 s and 60 s subs is small; from a rural site it can halve the total time, especially with a dual-band filter in place.

Stack across nights. Every smart scope app can continue a stack or you can combine the saved frames on a computer; the figures here are totals, not single-session limits.

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