How long to image the M87 with the ZWO Seestar S30 Pro

From a Bortle 6 suburban sky, the ZWO Seestar S30 Pro needs about 1 h 13 min (436 subs of 10 s) for a solid image of the M87. A quick look takes 18 min; a showpiece 4 h 50 min. Under a Bortle 3 rural sky the solid figure drops to 31 min. At Bortle 6 the limit is skyglow, so a darker site or a filter helps more than longer subs. In this scope's field it fills 6% of the frame’s short side.

M87 with the ZWO Seestar S30 Pro: 10 s subs.
SkyQuick lookTarget obvious, still noisySolidClean enough to shareShowpieceSmooth faint detail, print-worthy
Bortle 1Excellent dark site7 min41 subs27 min164 subs1 h 49 min656 subs
Bortle 2Typical dark site7 min44 subs29 min173 subs1 h 55 min689 subs
Bortle 3Rural8 min47 subs31 min188 subs2 h 05 min752 subs
Bortle 4Rural / suburban transition9 min57 subs38 min227 subs2 h 31 min905 subs
Bortle 5Suburban12 min72 subs48 min287 subs3 h 11 min1,147 subs
Bortle 6Bright suburban18 min109 subs1 h 13 min436 subs4 h 50 min1,741 subs
Bortle 7Suburban / urban transition30 min180 subs2 h719 subs7 h 59 min2,873 subs
Bortle 8City48 min290 subs3 h 13 min1,158 subs13 h4,630 subs
Bortle 9Inner city1 h 27 min524 subs5 h 49 min2,095 subs23 h8,377 subs

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Allowing for slewing, focusing and rejected subs, that is about 1 h 34 min of run time. The Seestar S30 Pro’s battery (rated about 5 h) should cover it; a power bank still keeps the phone running the app alive. (Bortle 6, solid image; we allow 30% over the integration time.)

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How it frames

The M87 is 8′ × 7′ across. The Seestar S30 Pro frames 3.99° × 2.24° at 3.74″ per pixel, so it fills 6% of the frame’s short side.

Longer subs

10, 20 and 30 s in Alt-Az; 60 s only in EQ mode, which needs the TH10 head. Time for a solid image by sub length:

Sub lengthBortle 3Bortle 5Bortle 7
10 s31 min188 subs48 min287 subs2 h719 subs
20 s27 min81 subs43 min131 subs1 h 55 min346 subs
30 s25 min51 subs42 min84 subs1 h 54 min228 subs
60 s30 min30 subs40 min41 subs1 h 52 min113 subs

Leave the dual-band filter out for the M87. It is a galaxy, and it shines right across the spectrum. A dual-band filter keeps two emission lines and throws the rest away, so most of the light you came for is being stopped along with the sky. From a Bortle 6 sky it would be roughly 12 times slower.

About the M87

The supergiant elliptical at the heart of the Virgo cluster, home of the first-photographed black hole. Bright, round, structureless.

NGC 4486, Virgo A · Galaxy in Virgo · magnitude 8.6 · 8′ × 7′ · best in Mar, Apr, May. Reachable from mid-northern latitudes (UK, northern US, central Europe) and from the south.

Galaxies are broadband targets: their light is mostly starlight spread across the spectrum, so a dual-band filter throws most of it away and makes things slower, not faster. Shoot without a filter (or with a plain UV/IR cut) and rely on total time and a dark sky. The core of a galaxy is usually many times brighter than its outer disc, so a short stack shows the nucleus long before the arms; the figures here are for the arms and disc, not the core.

Field rotation in Alt-Az mode crops the edges of the stack over a long session, so on a big galaxy re-centre now and then or use EQ mode where your scope supports it.

About the ZWO Seestar S30 Pro

The S30 optics upgraded to a quadruplet in front of an 8 MP IMX585. Same speed per pixel as the S30, four times the pixels, so you can crop hard.

10, 20 and 30 s in Alt-Az; 60 s only in EQ mode, which needs the TH10 head. Built-in UV/IR-cut, dual-band (OIII 30 nm / Hα 20 nm) and dark filters on the telephoto camera.

Longer subs matter most under dark skies, where read noise rather than skyglow sets the floor. From a city the difference between 10 s and 60 s subs is small; from a rural site it can halve the total time, especially with a dual-band filter in place.

Stack across nights. Every smart scope app can continue a stack or you can combine the saved frames on a computer; the figures here are totals, not single-session limits.

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