How long to image the M87 with the ZWO Seestar S30

From a Bortle 6 suburban sky, the ZWO Seestar S30 needs about 1 h 06 min (394 subs of 10 s) for a solid image of the M87. A quick look takes 16 min; a showpiece 4 h 22 min. Under a Bortle 3 rural sky the solid figure drops to 29 min. At Bortle 6 the limit is skyglow, so a darker site or a filter helps more than longer subs. In this scope's field it fills 11% of the frame’s short side.

M87 with the ZWO Seestar S30: 10 s subs.
SkyQuick lookTarget obvious, still noisySolidClean enough to shareShowpieceSmooth faint detail, print-worthy
Bortle 1Excellent dark site6 min39 subs26 min156 subs1 h 43 min621 subs
Bortle 2Typical dark site7 min41 subs27 min163 subs1 h 48 min651 subs
Bortle 3Rural7 min45 subs29 min177 subs1 h 58 min706 subs
Bortle 4Rural / suburban transition9 min53 subs35 min210 subs2 h 20 min840 subs
Bortle 5Suburban11 min66 subs44 min264 subs2 h 55 min1,053 subs
Bortle 6Bright suburban16 min99 subs1 h 06 min394 subs4 h 22 min1,575 subs
Bortle 7Suburban / urban transition27 min161 subs1 h 47 min643 subs7 h 08 min2,570 subs
Bortle 8City43 min258 subs2 h 51 min1,029 subs11 h4,114 subs
Bortle 9Inner city1 h 17 min463 subs5 h 09 min1,852 subs21 h7,407 subs

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Allowing for slewing, focusing and rejected subs, that is about 1 h 25 min of run time. The Seestar S30’s battery (rated about 6 h) should cover it; a power bank still keeps the phone running the app alive. (Bortle 6, solid image; we allow 30% over the integration time.)

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How it frames

The M87 is 8′ × 7′ across. The Seestar S30 frames 2.13° × 1.20° at 3.99″ per pixel, so it fills 11% of the frame’s short side.

Longer subs

10, 20 and 30 s in Alt-Az; 60 s only in EQ mode, which needs the TH10 head. Time for a solid image by sub length:

Sub lengthBortle 3Bortle 5Bortle 7
10 s29 min177 subs44 min264 subs1 h 47 min643 subs
20 s25 min74 subs39 min117 subs1 h 42 min307 subs
30 s23 min46 subs37 min75 subs1 h 41 min202 subs
60 s30 min30 subs36 min36 subs1 h 39 min99 subs

Leave the dual-band filter out for the M87. It is a galaxy, and it shines right across the spectrum. A dual-band filter keeps two emission lines and throws the rest away, so most of the light you came for is being stopped along with the sky. From a Bortle 6 sky it would be roughly 13 times slower.

About the M87

The supergiant elliptical at the heart of the Virgo cluster, home of the first-photographed black hole. Bright, round, structureless.

NGC 4486, Virgo A · Galaxy in Virgo · magnitude 8.6 · 8′ × 7′ · best in Mar, Apr, May. Reachable from mid-northern latitudes (UK, northern US, central Europe) and from the south.

Galaxies are broadband targets: their light is mostly starlight spread across the spectrum, so a dual-band filter throws most of it away and makes things slower, not faster. Shoot without a filter (or with a plain UV/IR cut) and rely on total time and a dark sky. The core of a galaxy is usually many times brighter than its outer disc, so a short stack shows the nucleus long before the arms; the figures here are for the arms and disc, not the core.

Field rotation in Alt-Az mode crops the edges of the stack over a long session, so on a big galaxy re-centre now and then or use EQ mode where your scope supports it.

About the ZWO Seestar S30

Wider and lighter than the S50 with the same 2.9 µm pixels, so its per-pixel speed on extended targets is close despite the smaller aperture. Ideal for big nebulae.

10, 20 and 30 s in Alt-Az; 60 s only in EQ mode, which needs the TH10 head. Built-in UV/IR-cut, dual-band (OIII 30 nm / Hα 20 nm) and dark filters.

Longer subs matter most under dark skies, where read noise rather than skyglow sets the floor. From a city the difference between 10 s and 60 s subs is small; from a rural site it can halve the total time, especially with a dual-band filter in place.

Stack across nights. Every smart scope app can continue a stack or you can combine the saved frames on a computer; the figures here are totals, not single-session limits.

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