How long to image the Needle Galaxy with the ZWO Seestar S30 Pro

From a Bortle 6 suburban sky, the ZWO Seestar S30 Pro needs about 1 h 16 min (459 subs of 10 s) for a solid image of the Needle Galaxy. A quick look takes 19 min; a showpiece 5 h 06 min. Under a Bortle 3 rural sky the solid figure drops to 31 min. At Bortle 6 the limit is skyglow, so a darker site or a filter helps more than longer subs. In this scope's field it fills 12% of the frame’s short side.

Needle Galaxy with the ZWO Seestar S30 Pro: 10 s subs.
SkyQuick lookTarget obvious, still noisySolidClean enough to shareShowpieceSmooth faint detail, print-worthy
Bortle 1Excellent dark site7 min41 subs27 min161 subs1 h 47 min641 subs
Bortle 2Typical dark site7 min43 subs28 min170 subs1 h 53 min678 subs
Bortle 3Rural8 min47 subs31 min187 subs2 h 04 min747 subs
Bortle 4Rural / suburban transition10 min58 subs38 min229 subs2 h 32 min915 subs
Bortle 5Suburban12 min74 subs49 min296 subs3 h 17 min1,181 subs
Bortle 6Bright suburban19 min115 subs1 h 16 min459 subs5 h 06 min1,834 subs
Bortle 7Suburban / urban transition32 min193 subs2 h 08 min770 subs8 h 33 min3,077 subs
Bortle 8City52 min313 subs3 h 29 min1,252 subs14 h5,008 subs
Bortle 9Inner city1 h 35 min571 subs6 h 20 min2,282 subs25 h9,125 subs

Adjust in the calculator

Power and kit for this session

Allowing for slewing, focusing and rejected subs, that is about 1 h 39 min of run time. The Seestar S30 Pro’s battery (rated about 5 h) should cover it; a power bank still keeps the phone running the app alive. (Bortle 6, solid image; we allow 30% over the integration time.)

Affiliate links: the retailer pays us a small commission and you pay the same price. These are search links to the named product, not endorsements of a particular listing; check the listing matches your model.

Everything that fits the Seestar S30 Pro →

How it frames

The Needle Galaxy is 16′ × 2′ across. The Seestar S30 Pro frames 3.99° × 2.24° at 3.74″ per pixel, so it fills 12% of the frame’s short side.

Longer subs

10, 20 and 30 s in Alt-Az; 60 s only in EQ mode, which needs the TH10 head. Time for a solid image by sub length:

Sub lengthBortle 3Bortle 5Bortle 7
10 s31 min187 subs49 min296 subs2 h 08 min770 subs
20 s26 min79 subs44 min134 subs2 h 03 min371 subs
30 s25 min50 subs43 min86 subs2 h 02 min244 subs
60 s30 min30 subs41 min42 subs2 h121 subs

Leave the dual-band filter out for the Needle Galaxy. It is a galaxy, and it shines right across the spectrum. A dual-band filter keeps two emission lines and throws the rest away, so most of the light you came for is being stopped along with the sky. From a Bortle 6 sky it would be roughly 12 times slower.

About the Needle Galaxy

The finest edge-on spiral in the northern sky, a thin needle with a central bulge and dust lane.

NGC 4565, Caldwell 38 · Galaxy in Coma Berenices · magnitude 9.6 · 16′ × 2′ · best in Mar, Apr, May. Reachable from mid-northern latitudes (UK, northern US, central Europe) and from the south.

Galaxies are broadband targets: their light is mostly starlight spread across the spectrum, so a dual-band filter throws most of it away and makes things slower, not faster. Shoot without a filter (or with a plain UV/IR cut) and rely on total time and a dark sky. The core of a galaxy is usually many times brighter than its outer disc, so a short stack shows the nucleus long before the arms; the figures here are for the arms and disc, not the core.

Field rotation in Alt-Az mode crops the edges of the stack over a long session, so on a big galaxy re-centre now and then or use EQ mode where your scope supports it.

About the ZWO Seestar S30 Pro

The S30 optics upgraded to a quadruplet in front of an 8 MP IMX585. Same speed per pixel as the S30, four times the pixels, so you can crop hard.

10, 20 and 30 s in Alt-Az; 60 s only in EQ mode, which needs the TH10 head. Built-in UV/IR-cut, dual-band (OIII 30 nm / Hα 20 nm) and dark filters on the telephoto camera.

Longer subs matter most under dark skies, where read noise rather than skyglow sets the floor. From a city the difference between 10 s and 60 s subs is small; from a rural site it can halve the total time, especially with a dual-band filter in place.

Stack across nights. Every smart scope app can continue a stack or you can combine the saved frames on a computer; the figures here are totals, not single-session limits.

Where to buy the Seestar S30 ProZWO store DirectAmazon UKAmazon USThe ZWO store link is a plain link; the others are affiliate links. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases, at no cost to you.
Imaged the Needle Galaxy with your Seestar S30 Pro? Did the solid figure match?Anonymous, one tap. It is how the model gets calibrated.

Have an image of the Needle Galaxy from a Seestar S30 Pro? Email it with your total time and sky to [email protected] and it goes here, credited.

Same target, other telescopes

All telescopes for the Needle Galaxy · All targets for the Seestar S30 Pro