How long to image the M58 with the Vaonis Vespera II

From a Bortle 6 suburban sky, the Vaonis Vespera II needs about 2 h 36 min (938 subs of 10 s) for a solid image of the M58. A quick look takes 39 min; a showpiece 10 h. Under a Bortle 3 rural sky the solid figure drops to 1 h 02 min. At Bortle 6 the limit is skyglow, so a darker site or a filter helps more than longer subs. In this scope's field it fills 7% of the frame’s short side.

M58 with the Vaonis Vespera II: 10 s subs.
SkyQuick lookTarget obvious, still noisySolidClean enough to shareShowpieceSmooth faint detail, print-worthy
Bortle 1Excellent dark site13 min79 subs52 min315 subs3 h 30 min1,259 subs
Bortle 2Typical dark site14 min84 subs56 min334 subs3 h 43 min1,336 subs
Bortle 3Rural15 min93 subs1 h 02 min371 subs4 h 07 min1,481 subs
Bortle 4Rural / suburban transition19 min115 subs1 h 16 min458 subs5 h 05 min1,831 subs
Bortle 5Suburban25 min150 subs1 h 39 min597 subs6 h 38 min2,387 subs
Bortle 6Bright suburban39 min235 subs2 h 36 min938 subs10 h3,751 subs
Bortle 7Suburban / urban transition1 h 06 min397 subs4 h 25 min1,588 subs18 h6,349 subs
Bortle 8City1 h 48 min649 subs7 h 13 min2,596 subs29 h10,383 subs
Bortle 9Inner city3 h 18 min1,187 subs13 h4,747 subs53 h18,986 subs

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Allowing for slewing, focusing and rejected subs, that is about 3 h 23 min of run time. The Vespera II’s battery (rated about 4 h) should cover it; a power bank still keeps the phone running the app alive. (Bortle 6, solid image; we allow 30% over the integration time.)

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How it frames

The M58 is 6′ × 5′ across. The Vespera II frames 2.55° × 1.44° at 2.39″ per pixel, so it fills 7% of the frame’s short side.

Longer subs

10 s subs by default; Expert Mode manual targets allow 1 to 30 s. Alt-azimuth only, no EQ mode. Time for a solid image by sub length:

Sub lengthBortle 3Bortle 5Bortle 7
10 s1 h 02 min371 subs1 h 39 min597 subs4 h 25 min1,588 subs
20 s53 min159 subs1 h 31 min272 subs4 h 16 min767 subs
30 s50 min100 subs1 h 28 min176 subs4 h 13 min506 subs

About the M58

A barred spiral in the Virgo cluster, one of the brighter members. Frame it with M59 and M60.

NGC 4579 · Galaxy in Virgo · magnitude 9.7 · 6′ × 5′ · best in Mar, Apr, May. Reachable from mid-northern latitudes (UK, northern US, central Europe) and from the south.

Galaxies are broadband targets: their light is mostly starlight spread across the spectrum, so a dual-band filter throws most of it away and makes things slower, not faster. Shoot without a filter (or with a plain UV/IR cut) and rely on total time and a dark sky. The core of a galaxy is usually many times brighter than its outer disc, so a short stack shows the nucleus long before the arms; the figures here are for the arms and disc, not the core.

Field rotation in Alt-Az mode crops the edges of the stack over a long session, so on a big galaxy re-centre now and then or use EQ mode where your scope supports it.

About the Vaonis Vespera II

A 50 mm quadruplet on an 8 MP sensor with Vaonis’s mosaic mode for wide fields. Same optics class as the Seestar S50, four times the pixels.

10 s subs by default; Expert Mode manual targets allow 1 to 30 s. Alt-azimuth only, no EQ mode. Optional clip-on Vaonis filters: dual-band, light-pollution (CLS) and solar; the app detects which is fitted.

Longer subs matter most under dark skies, where read noise rather than skyglow sets the floor. From a city the difference between 10 s and 30 s subs is small; from a rural site it can halve the total time, especially with a dual-band filter in place.

Stack across nights. Every smart scope app can continue a stack or you can combine the saved frames on a computer; the figures here are totals, not single-session limits.

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