How long to image the M86 with the ZWO Seestar S50 Pro

From a Bortle 6 suburban sky, the ZWO Seestar S50 Pro needs about 1 h 35 min (573 subs of 10 s) for a solid image of the M86. A quick look takes 24 min; a showpiece 6 h 22 min. Under a Bortle 3 rural sky the solid figure drops to 39 min. At Bortle 6 the limit is skyglow, so a darker site or a filter helps more than longer subs. In this scope's field it fills 11% of the frame’s short side.

M86 with the ZWO Seestar S50 Pro: 10 s subs.
SkyQuick lookTarget obvious, still noisySolidClean enough to shareShowpieceSmooth faint detail, print-worthy
Bortle 1Excellent dark site8 min51 subs34 min203 subs2 h 15 min809 subs
Bortle 2Typical dark site9 min54 subs36 min214 subs2 h 22 min855 subs
Bortle 3Rural10 min59 subs39 min236 subs2 h 37 min941 subs
Bortle 4Rural / suburban transition12 min72 subs48 min288 subs3 h 11 min1,149 subs
Bortle 5Suburban15 min93 subs1 h 02 min370 subs4 h 07 min1,480 subs
Bortle 6Bright suburban24 min144 subs1 h 35 min573 subs6 h 22 min2,291 subs
Bortle 7Suburban / urban transition40 min240 subs2 h 40 min959 subs11 h3,836 subs
Bortle 8City1 h 05 min390 subs4 h 20 min1,559 subs17 h6,235 subs
Bortle 9Inner city1 h 58 min710 subs7 h 53 min2,838 subs32 h11,351 subs

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Allowing for slewing, focusing and rejected subs, that is about 2 h 04 min of run time. The Seestar S50 Pro’s battery (rated about 9 h) should cover it; a power bank still keeps the phone running the app alive. (Bortle 6, solid image; we allow 30% over the integration time.)

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How it frames

The M86 is 9′ × 6′ across. The Seestar S50 Pro frames 2.45° × 1.38° at 2.30″ per pixel, so it fills 11% of the frame’s short side.

Longer subs

10, 20 and 30 s in Alt-Az; 60 s only in EQ mode, and 60 s is the ceiling. Time for a solid image by sub length:

Sub lengthBortle 3Bortle 5Bortle 7
10 s39 min236 subs1 h 02 min370 subs2 h 40 min959 subs
20 s33 min101 subs56 min168 subs2 h 34 min463 subs
30 s32 min64 subs54 min109 subs2 h 32 min305 subs
60 s30 min30 subs52 min53 subs2 h 30 min151 subs

Leave the dual-band filter out for the M86. It is a galaxy, and it shines right across the spectrum. A dual-band filter keeps two emission lines and throws the rest away, so most of the light you came for is being stopped along with the sky. From a Bortle 6 sky it would be roughly 12 times slower.

About the M86

M84's companion in Markarian's Chain, a large elliptical falling into the Virgo cluster.

NGC 4406 · Galaxy in Virgo · magnitude 8.9 · 9′ × 6′ · best in Mar, Apr, May. Reachable from mid-northern latitudes (UK, northern US, central Europe) and from the south.

Galaxies are broadband targets: their light is mostly starlight spread across the spectrum, so a dual-band filter throws most of it away and makes things slower, not faster. Shoot without a filter (or with a plain UV/IR cut) and rely on total time and a dark sky. The core of a galaxy is usually many times brighter than its outer disc, so a short stack shows the nucleus long before the arms; the figures here are for the arms and disc, not the core.

Field rotation in Alt-Az mode crops the edges of the stack over a long session, so on a big galaxy re-centre now and then or use EQ mode where your scope supports it.

About the ZWO Seestar S50 Pro

The S50 optics at 260 mm on an 8 MP 1/1.2-inch sensor: a wider, taller field, four times the pixels, and 60 s subs in EQ mode. Per pixel it is a whisker slower than the S50 because of the longer focal length; the long subs make it the better dark-site scope.

10, 20 and 30 s in Alt-Az; 60 s only in EQ mode, and 60 s is the ceiling. Built-in UV/IR-cut, dual-band (OIII 30 nm / Hα 20 nm) and dark filters on the telephoto camera.

Longer subs matter most under dark skies, where read noise rather than skyglow sets the floor. From a city the difference between 10 s and 60 s subs is small; from a rural site it can halve the total time, especially with a dual-band filter in place.

Stack across nights. Every smart scope app can continue a stack or you can combine the saved frames on a computer; the figures here are totals, not single-session limits.

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